1. maria09/19/2005 18:52:15
Jessica, we went to see a training session of Lipizanners in Vienna. I kept thinking - they are so EASY to keep as stallions. Well, that wasn't the only impression. They are easy because they are started at four and until that age they live in herds of many males, so the hierarchy is established before the humans come into the scene. But then someone told me that the training methods used are so harsh and that's why they look so obedient. It certainly doesn't look that way - the classical school looks so harmonious and they emphasise in the booklet how the rider has to adapt every day to the mood of the horse and often has to change his intentions to follow the horse's cues. What do you think? Do you know much about the training methods of the Spanish Riding School in Vienna?
2. Jessica09/20/2005 13:11:48
Maria,
Well, the art of riding and training have been discussed since we began using the horse as a riding animal. The Spanish Riding School, Cadre Noir etc are more or less still training their horses in accordance with Guerniéres principles (Ecole de Cavalerie) that by systematical education create a calm, worked through and obedient with comfortable movements. Is this system is good for hunting and show jumping Caprilli didn't think so.
Like with all ideologies they always sound good in printing but do not always work good in reality. I think that an art or method for riding that is suitable only for one type of horse is not that worked though. I think that the Eastern European/Asian/kossack light, free riding style more towards Caprilli type of training is better for the horse and defenitely works better for the Tekes. I would agree with Littauer though, that the classical art of riding is worth saving as it is beautiful to watch but that the system is not applicable for modern sports and riding.
You had the opportunity to see well trained horses educated under full time empoyed professional riders and of course you enjoyed it. But to cite Chamberlain "collection under a bad rider is like a razor in the hands of a monkey".
3. maria09/20/2005 18:48:19
Gosh, that's a lot of names! and lots of food for thought.
The thing is, they didn't seem to look unnatural in their collection. They were being ridden in snaffle bits, single bridle, and didn't look "strapped up".
In fact, I am sure you remember the MOST STRAPPED UP dressage horse any of us had ever seen - in that stable in Luxembourg. Remember that man on a big warmblood who held it's poor head in so tight, the horse could barely move it's shouders?
I remember one lesson I had with a very good rider here, she rides at the British National level. She walked in and told me to collect Altai. He, as usual, said "No" and I said "Well, it takes a bit of persuasion with him" and she said "He HAS TO" and came over and held the reins from the ground and made him look down and walked like this with us the whole lesson. Needless to say, I never had another lesson but I still admire her riding.
4. Debbie01/17/2006 00:33:43
For Maria, at the beginning of this thread: on the training methods used for Lipizzans. There is a book written years ago, maybe 15 or 20 years, called "My Flying White Horses". I forget the author but he at one time was in charge of a school for Lipizzans. He personally used gentle methods but was aware of other schools that used harsh methods and of course he deplored this; he said horses trained that way lose their joy in performing, but his horses retained it to an advanced age. He said it was customary to give the horse a lump of sugar at the end of a session, and if it did not like the way it had been treated it would refuse the sugar!
5. Debbie01/17/2006 00:37:47
P.S.: in his school it was considered a terrible rebuke if a horse refused your sugar!
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