France has strict rules for new breeds to be approved and a lot of work has been done in order to get the Tekes approved as a breed in France.
The breed is now approved and the second breed show is arranged this year in France, Russian judges together with French judges will be evaluating the Tekes.
The breed shows are the backbone for the work with the improvement as well as marketing of any horse breed today so obviously the French Teke association is working hard in the right direction.
The breed association will also need a user friendly and informative web site. The web master has asked for our help here on the Tekeblog to collect performance results for pure bred Akhal-Tekes from the last 15 years.

If you have competed or own a pure bred Teke that has competed in a local, regional or international competition in any discipline please answer the questions below and publish it here as comments or email to Séverine TRUCHSESS <severinetruchsess@yahoo.fr> .
It is important that the results can be verified upon request.
The French association is, at this point, interested in results from pure bred Tekes. However, I am also interested in the results from Teke crosses so anyone that can add info on partbreds are welcome to do so as comments here. When you add partbred please enter the breed of the non-Teke in the horses pedigree.

In order to have the results added for your horse on the French web site, which I hope in the future will serve as a credible source for performance results for Tekes, please answer all questions below. Rember to enter results from 1990 - today.

1. Discipline
2. Name, year of birth, father, mother, maternal grandfather, sire line and breeder of the horse. Optional height over the withers.
3. Name of the rider.
4. Year for the competition.
5. Place, town and country for the competition.
6. Type and level of competition (Endurance 50 km, Show jumping 100 cm.)
7. Status of competition (local, regional, national or international)
8. Placing, what place the horse got in the competition (1st, 2nd not placed etc) optional information would be the total number of starts in the class.

Thank you very much for helping out in this project, initiated by the French Akhal-Teke Association.

1. Leonid06/13/2006 12:09:33
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.ru

It is anecdote realy. How is it possible, that France approved Tekes breed as a breed. Teke breed has more then 5000 years of being, and during this time this breed is number One in the World. There were wild tribes at this territory, wich we name France when this horses served to the antique kings. Akhalteke breed existed, is existing and will exist with recognition of France or not. Such formulation (breed is now approved) is realy offensive for the breed.
Akhalteke horses are history and tresure of Humanity. It is equivalent to approving of being of the Sun.

2. S■verine06/13/2006 14:07:23

Jessica > Thank you a lot for your help

Leonid > Whatever you can think, the Earth is big and akhal tekes are very few, and unkown by most of human beings on Earth. Even if you don't appreciate in admitting it, it is true.

Maybe it is necessary to explain what for recognition was made in France ?
In France, the only horses that are admitted in competition by the Horse Riding French Federation (FFE) are horses from a recognized breed by the French National Stud. It means that, before it, even if you had MAAK papers, and even if a few people knew this breed, you couldn't compeet in any sport, even if you had the most talented horse. It is maybe silly, but it was the rule, because of the lobbying of the horse breeders in the French Federation. That is why this job has been done, and it was a big job. And now some AT horses make good results in endurance competition...

We want to make a complete website, to make this breed more admirers, and we must talk about sport results. In France, horses' people want sport horses and not beauty champions. It is the chance to convince them that it is possible to have beautiful AT and a sport challenger in the same horse, to develop the AT breed, in which we have all interests (lovers and breeders).

Thank you all for your help.

3. Leonid06/13/2006 14:44:52
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.ru

Dear S■verine, realy, if somebody in the Earth das not know about akhalteke breed it is problem of his education. I understand very much problems of akhalteke owners in the France. But, please name this situation another. For example: "Rule of french registration of akhalteke horses". Your formulation is realy offensive. We produce horses for blood and for races. It is our philosophy of breeding. It is philosophy of pure blood breeding. Other results (conclude sports result) are attendant only. More important for your national akhalteke breeding is recognition of World teke society, but now between 150 akhalteke horses of France may be 10 only have enough quality.
Change formulation, please.
At the beggining was word.

4. Severine06/13/2006 17:48:37

Leonid> I didn't want to offense you but your answers are a little agressive. So I prefer not to answer and I am sorry of it.
I thought, with all your knowledges, you could have understood what we try to do and might have wanted to help. But it is not a problem, I won't force anyone.



The ATF association is interested in results from all over the world, Russia, USA, Europe, ... So please, don't hesitate to participate constructively ...

5. Jessica D.06/13/2006 17:57:29

I think what is important here is that France is now actually helping to promote the AT whereas in the past, it was not a well-known recognized breed. Maybe it should have been....since it's been around for ages. However, that is not the case and instead of getting upset about the AT "just now" being considered a recognized breed...we should be more concerned with the fact that maybe now the breed will recieve better attention as a result of it....and more accurate documentation of the GOOD horses in the breed...more reliable sources for breeders and buyers of the AT. Just my opinion.

6. Leonid06/14/2006 01:27:31
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.ru

It is sounds too conceitedly. Nobody can not recognize or not recognize akhalteke breed. Like nobody can not recognize or not the Sun. It was small burocratic inner problem of France. And I can not understand how France can promote this breed with such unassuming by quality horses and on the field of endurance where are arabians with price from $1000 to 5000 maximum. For same price we sell horses with three legs. You took wrong way for promotion. There are not money in the endurance. For other kind of sport you need another kind of quality horses. And in the same time you ignore absolutly races, where we can get biggest market in a shot time.

7. tabitha06/14/2006 07:04:33

Dear Leonid,

Races perhaps are great way to promote a horse breed in Russia and the USA, but not in Europe where horse racing is becoming less and less attractive to people. Here in the Netherlands for example there are only 2 or 3 places left to race and they're in financial trouble due to the lack of interest of the people over here.

And I have read that that tendency is growing in the entire European Union.

So the closest thing left to horse racing over here is endurance which enjoys a growing interest and publicity and is therefore becoming the best way to promote our breed overhere.

8. Blanca06/14/2006 08:01:45

Severine,

You can find the results of the Central Asian competitions in:

http://horsesport.info/index.php?lng=en

This is the region of the world where ATs are most widely used for classical sports.

I wish you good luck with your database, although I somehow agree with Leonind in doubting of these things as a means to promote our breed...

9. Leonid06/14/2006 14:23:05
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.ru

Severine, I am agressive becourse I am fan of this breed. Excuse me. But work with this horses is all our life, and our teachers worked with tekes all them life and so on. This horses are our life. Then in one day somebody says: "this breed is recognize now in Zimbabwe or in France and now will be promotion" How did we live yesterday?
About promotion, marketing.
1. Endurance. We can not have competition with arabians by price politic. Some cheap tekes can be there, but individuals only.
Beside of, there are not money in endurance. This is sport of amauters.
2. Show jumping. On this way our breeding needs in a big investments. Now, only for rare individuals. In real time - no one.
3. Dressage. Big investments too. Problem in the mentalitet of judges and sportsmen. It is very difficult to work with pure blood horses. Big lobby of german dressage rules, where is not place for pure blood.
4. Millitary. Now quite interesting way. Only one problem - trustment of sportsmen.
5. Antiques and rarity. It is our breed "know how". We have exelent results on this way in Russia. Words:"Not for everybody", "Exclusive", "Expensive", articles in glossy magazines, shows, exebitions.
6. Races. Necessary to conclude into the world race industry. It must do we. 22 July we create teke race on the Moscow hippodrome in presence of all establisment of Russia other nearest countries.
7. Blood. For using of tekes in wormblood breeding. Impossible do it without races. Only races can show to breeders the necessity of this using.

10. Jessica06/14/2006 16:54:33

I agree with you Leonid that the lack of education in many cases are the reason to why so few horse people know about the breed. In Florida the year 2006, few people know about the breed eventhough the breed has existed in the USA for more than 20 years. You cannot blame the market, though, you have to blame yourself for not having spread better the information about the heavenly breed. It is a shame that Russia via the Ministry of Agriculture shows nil interest in promoting this breed to the world.
Every nation has their unique equestrian culture it is maintained by breeders, riders, associations and authorities. In the ideal world they all work together towards one goal, but, conflict is a natural result of a system that is a mix between, bureaucracy, professionalism, amateurism and egoism.
France has a long, proud and successful equestrian tradition, Saumur, the Chambon (I love it) Jappeloup, Balubet, Prix d'Amerique are horses and institutions that immediately comes to my mind when I think about French equestrianism, in France some of the best jumpers, trotter, racers TB and Arabains are bred.
To me it means that France have really good breeders that can create such excellent horses. The French system of protectionism has it been good or bad for the successful breeders and riders, I don't know.
The French protectionism will not allow "foreign" horses to compete officially in France, this means that the horse that wants to compete in France, will have to comply with French rules, perfectly normal rules for any country, your horse must usually be registered with a show association often they are members of the FEI. Every single Teke that wants to compete in official competitions will have to go through the same procedure. In Sweden we had to do the same, and Sweden was actually the first country in Europe to "approve" the Teke breed.
This has nothing to do with the quality of the horses it is merely an administrative routine that is more or less difficult to get through, in Sweden it was easier as Sweden is an open country, we have to be as Sweden is a small land, France have a much more demanding and complicated procedure for national breed approval.
Therefore, as I see it being used to the European way, I think it was an improvement of the Teke's status in Europe, when France approved the breed. Actually, The Department of Animal Genetics of INRA wrote a very interesting report on the Teke breed in 1984, well worth reading and the most thorough investigation about the breed made by any western country as far as I know. They classify the Akhal-Teke, the Arabian and the English Thoroughbred in the at that time Soviet Union as "Les races de selle et de sport" (horses of blood and of sports)
Could some of the successful French breeders, we all know the roots of Vladimir Schamborant, get their hands on some Tekes... That could mean a real success for the breed.
What I find remarkable though, is the ongoing campaign against the French Teke community from MAAK, the article about starving horses in French, the article about the defect horse from Padishah as well as the rumours and never ending comments about the quality of the French horses are discouraging.
This is to me proof of the dysfunction of an association that declares itself international but in reality is national or rather a small club of internal admirers.
I will eat my karakul hat if I see official MAAK articles signed by the director of MAAK about the starving/dying horses and defect offspring from Padishah that a certain Russian breeder has.
I can see nothing wrong in openly and with the intentions of broadening the market for the Tekes, collect data about how the Tekes in the world perform in any discipline, racing as well as endurance.
We do need to work much harder on marketing the high quality, multiperformer that the Teke is. We also need to be able to show more facts and less fiction about this breed, especially to satisfy the discriminating market of very good amateur riders who look for high quality horses that they are willing to invest a lot of training in.
It has been some serious disappointments from buyers who have been told too many fairytails about the performance records of the ancestors of the horses they have bought, only to find out that this was only - a fairytail. And the horse they have bought and invested training in will not come near the performance ability the buyer had thought. This is a very good reason to collect data about performance records as well as continously educate the public via breed shows.
I would like to conclude
Leonid, you are the Zsar of Moscow when it comes to promoting and developing the breed in Moscow.
Severine, keep up the good job with the French bureaucrats and the very demanding and difficult market you work with there, I'm convinced that you will succeed.
And both your successes is the total success for the heavenly breed.

11. maria06/14/2006 18:44:56

Severine, Leonid is not aggressive, but he is a great polemicist - as well as a very friendly, nice man . I am not intending to enter this particular debate but living in England where racing is anything BUT a dying sport and race-horses are used in all disciplines, as well as native breed- and warmblood- improvers, it is interesting to consider the question of international recognition. English TB achieved it by a combination of Closed Studbook and perfomance record over 200+ years. Perhaps, if there were fewer problems with studbook and more performance records, it wouldn't have been such hard work to recognise the breed in France. And yet, there must be some truth in the labels attached to Akhal-Teke, such as those Leonid cites: "Not for Everyone" is a label common in England where TB are concerned. With TB, price is irrelevant - the best ones stay in racing/purebreeding and the rest a dirt cheap - but the hot-blooded horse is NOT for everyone. I recently read a lovely article about TB, written by a local elderly dressage trainer in Devon. She spoke of the days when English riders did not have access to German Warmbloods, so they had to do their dressage on English TB rejected from racing. She quoted her race-trainer father who said: "TB takes twice as long to train but is twice as good in the end". True of Akhal-Teke? I think so.

12. maria06/14/2006 18:48:21

And by the way, are Performance Records on the blog for living Teke only?

13. Severine06/15/2006 01:22:52

Maria> We look for records for any horse who has existed, dead or alive...

I don't have time right now to answer, have to go to work I, but I promise I 'll do it tonight.

14. Leonid06/15/2006 02:12:19
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.ru

O'key Jessica. During 20 years there are akhalteke horses in America, and during this time there were not even one breed show, even one race, or another action. There is very close society. Such situation in Germany. Only Poling, very close, only for amauters. France with stupied rules, where collected products of Tito selection with main principle "cheap". In this time you, Mino Denti created very interesting groups of horses. And you are very active. Mino had participient in "Fierra cavalli" and another actions. Nobody outside of Russia excluse you can not suggest programm of promotion in any countries. May be I am agressive, but I want to wake up our society. Most big problem, that most of our foreign breeders have halfblood philisophy and ready to dance on this field.

15. Ingrid06/15/2006 04:20:56

Hi,
Here are the results of Saad
1.Eventing.
2.Saad 1997 after Singapour and Molva ( Anchar ). Skak-line
161 cm - buckskin. Breeder: Shamburant: shael-teke.ru
3.Rider: Ingrid Jutta Hovik
4.2005
5. Norway
Ellingsrud: 80 cm, 14 of 19 - regional
Drammen: 80 cm, 12 of 26 - regional
S■rkedalen: 80 cm, 6 of 24 regional
Skedsmo: 90 cm, 1 of 20 national
Drammen: 90 cm, 7 of 24 national
Den norske offisersrideklubb: 90 cm, 4 av 20 national
Sarpsborg: 90 cm, 8 av 20 national
Starum: 90 cm, 10 av 21 national

2006.
Same horse and rider and eventing.
Karlskoga - sweden - 100 cm: 17 of 24 - reginonal and national
Sarpsborg - norway - 100 cm: 1 of 26 - national
S■rkedalen - Norway - 100 cm: 13 of 22 - national

Same horse and rider:
Endurance.
2003 - Karolinerittet - sweden - national: 50km
3 of 36

16. Jessica06/15/2006 10:02:38

Ingrid. Great results. Congratulations. For now Norway is the number one Teke performance nation in the world, on this blog
Maternal half sisters Merdjen and Maya sends sunny regards to Saad.
Let' see what the other nations will be able to come up with!

17. maria06/15/2006 18:37:59

18. maria06/15/2006 18:45:55

1. Endurance 2. Altai 1995 - 2003 (Kara-Burgut - Alikly) 3. Maria Marquise 4. 2003 5. UK, South-West 6. Endurance GB Novice National 32km - Grade 1 32km - Grade 2 34km - Grade 1 48km - Grade 3 Endurance GB Intermediate National 48km - Grade 3 2002 - Dressage Novice local: 2nd Place

19. Severine06/16/2006 10:06:33

Thank you for your help Ingrid and Maria...
For Ingrid, I am curious but do you have a photo of Saad ? All the foals of Singapur I have seen had really beautiful heads...

For Leonid, first of all, I didn't mention you were agressive, but that your answers were. I wouldn't permit myself to judge people I have never met.
But you must understand that I asked Jessica to write this message to have help and not to be judge and condemn for other things but the help message, and because you don't want to understand than every country is different, has its own rules and culture, history and adminstrative ways to fonctionnate.
Even if it is not my blog, I wouldn't like this blog to be the Akhal Teke who's who trial blog, where people are judge without chance to be respected for what they do : first MAAK, second Nadia, then me and throught me all the French people, French breeders and French horses, ...
Nothing is perfect, we have always things to improve. In ATF we do our best to improve them, but such an attitude and your answers are not contructive and doesn't help anyone, even maybe make you feel better.
What you must understand is that our actions are made with humility. We know we have some lacks, but we are ready to work on hard to do better job each day.



Maybe your analysis is right in Russia (message 9), but France is not Russia, as you deplore it, and I leave in France. My job, as a member of ATF, concerns only my country which I know the best.

What I am looking for is not only big intenational result. We all know there are lot of riders and horses (500 000 horses in France), but only a few at this level. And it is not necessary every rider's wish to be an international rider. It can be just have fun with their horse, make few events for pleasure at an intermediary level.
So I answer, looking each point with the French sight and French market :

1. Endurance. In France, there is a lot of money in endurance, and more and more riders at every event. Some AT horses who run frequently have correct results.
Of course, there are so much arabians in endurance than statisticly, always arabians win. But just a much are at the top considering the huge number of them ?
And people begin to be interested in AT in this domain : it begins in France, and I think it is more true in Belgium and Luxembourg with the good results of Michele van Kasteren.
"This is sport of amauters" you said. I dare say you are right and wrong : right at little level, because you don't need a high technical level, but wrong at high level, when you run for a 120 km, 160 km, or 2x100km (100 km/ day, 2 following days), as quick as possib, because it is strategy, special training of the horse and the rider, because very hard for the body of both of them...

2. Show jumping.
I know a few AT horses compeet in this sport. I heard about Sotchi in Swizerland, but I need more informations.

3. Dressage. Big investments too I agree. I agree to with the problem with the judges. But some riders are fascinated with dressage and have fun with it. Some in France, but there might be other people in the world.

4. Millitary. There are almost no more horses in French Army and Police. And they have special recrutment for horses. No intrance for AT horses.

5. Antiques and rarity. It is valuable for passionate people but not for sport people. Maybe it works a lot in Russia, a little bit in France, but there is a step which is "what can we do with this horse". We cannot do only shows because riders here are excepted other things. And antique doesn't means anything for us because it is not our history. We have no historical commun point with Central Asia, not like Russian people. So historical point is not enough for France.

6. Races. There are only two kinds of people who cares about races : people who want to earn money (and they don't care about the breed used for), and people in high class because, in their environnement it is well seen to see some races (Gand Prix d'Am■rique,...). Each race is opened to only ONE breed : only arabians, or only trottor,...
So, open a race to AT horses would mean : create new events, win the lobbying of other breed, have enough AT horses (not ever the same horse), and for people who don't care about horses but only for their money ???

7. Blood. In France there is not a real market for half blooded for the moment.

My experience in the associative class has always been confirmed : there is always a few people who work as best as they can, and a lot who talk to criticize but who never help.
And what is sure is that if you do nothing, you are sure not to be wrong.

That is why I want to thank the ones who help in answering the question.

20. Blanca06/16/2006 10:23:20

"2. Show jumping.
I know a few AT horses compeet in this sport. I heard about Sotchi in Swizerland, but I need more informations"

You have an excellent jumper in France: Abakan, by Gigant, who has been competing since 2 or 3 years ago with good results. Actually, Abakan and his rider/owner, Claire Tillier, have been trining for longtime at Rene Lopez's, a Colombian olympic rider, and thenm at Marcus Fuchs' in Switzerland.

For info, Claire Tillier was secretary of the ATF for longtime, actually, for the period when the association was working so hard for the recognition of the breed in the country.

21. Leonid06/16/2006 15:08:31
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.ru

Thank you Severine for explanation. Now I understood, that I speake from breeder position, but you speake from position of sincere amauters. Thank you for your love. But very important to know and to understand traditions of breeding of this breed. Only two words: "Blood (type) and Races".
Permit me to ask you some quetions:
1. What is the prime cost of production of your Stud?
2. What is your annual volume of sales?
3. What is your annual budjet of your Stud?
4. What is the price of one your horse, wich can close your budjet.
When you answer to yourself for this questions you can understand that professional breeder can not develope any kind of sport beside of races. Like breeder I can say that akhalteke horses never wont be popular. This horses will be rare and exclusive already. Our market is very spice and slim. In another case, that will be not akhalteke. Shamboraunt said: "Not hundred horses make breed, one horse makes breed".
My bussines to produce horses, to test them in hippodrome and to sell till three years old. Bussines of bereitor to get result with this horse in any kind of sport and show mass customers possibility of breed. Our bussineses are different. But all together we do total.

22. Leonid06/17/2006 01:26:03
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.ru

If we look at the beggining of our polemic, there are only two positions.
1. France approved akhalteke breed;
2. This fact will give promotion to the akhalteke breed.

The first point is very inner for France and very French. The advirtesment of this fact is insulting for France, for breed and for me like breeder, wich spend life for this breed.

The second point. I don't believe in the promotion by your direction and tried to explane my position.

In any case, I prefer to hear and to speak truth, then compliments.

P.S. I don't sreak about our Stud, but if you did not been in Stavropol Stud you can not name yourself connoisseur of breed.

23. Severine06/19/2006 08:50:21

Leonid > I have understood you feel hurt by the recognition, but you shouldn't.
It is not a "recognition of existance" of the breed, of course not, your job has always been considered like a high level job.
It means just that administrative rules have been officialy applied to the akhal teke breed. Maybe the word chosen is not the good one.
The consequence is promotion for the breed, and admission for AT in sport competitions (which are good too for you because good for the horses you already sold in France, and for the ones you will sell in the future).

For the directions of promotion, I am maybe wrong. But I want to try to find this informations, first because I am curious, then because I didn't found any (except the eternal Absent, and the races Ashkabat-Moscow, but they are quite old informations), and last because I have noticed that it is a very frequent question asked to each of us in ATF.
For example, I have helped a friend in a exhibition where she had shown her beautiful AT stallion. I have noticed than only few people knew the breed (so the necessity of promotion). The second question was about sport.
If all the people during the 3 days show were asking the same question, it means that it is necessary for the association to talk about this point in its website.

I do not talk like an AT connoisseur, but just like a amator.
I just talk like someone who know the french way of horse thinking... (maybe not the best one, but the one used here). I try to make the job that has been given to me as good as I can. My wish would be so that everyone could find answers to its questions.

And about visiting Russia, this will be made soon. ...

24. Jessica 06/19/2006 09:12:16

Severine. There has been a few attempts to put together a Teke performance database, and it is not easy. With hard work and patience, I'm sure we will be able to collect enough results to at least show the athletism and agility of the Teke breed. I will report a few dressage and show jumping results from Sweden, however, the dressage classes below PSG are named differently in every single country. Does anyone know if you can find some kind of converter on the web, so that I can for example convert a German dressage class to an American? And what format should we use for dressage classes? The show jumping should be easier, the height of the jumps (cm and feet?) and if the show was local,regional, national or international should be enough.

25. Leonid06/19/2006 10:47:57
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.ru

Thank you very much Severine for your explanation. Word is very important for us, we traditionaly appreciate word more then paper.
A lot of information you can find in www.maak.ru. Please look there, especialy in "Akhalteke inform" and sport department. But by russian.

26. Severine06/20/2006 02:54:14

Leonid > I am happy to see that we arrive to understand each other and to talk friendly...
About maak.ru, I know the site, but there is the problem of the language. I just look at the photos and the results of the differents championship. I have planed to learn russian, but I haven't had time yet. But I think I have found someone who will help in translating.

I think again to our discussion about races. If you have some result in races with your horses or other, please tell me. It is important to have a complete sight of the breed result.

I wonder if you already knew which horses you will bring to the World Championship (or maybe it is secret till the event ?).

Jessica > I didn't know the level in sport wasn't the same in all country... I agree, it will be difficult to find how to convert...

27. Leonid06/20/2006 05:07:09
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.ru

Race results you can find in www.maak.ru too, but bu russian agein.
Most of our young horses we sold and this horses will take participant under another flag. We are going to send to Equiros our stallions:
1. Gazyr Shael /Melesur-Ghezerli/;
2. Shaar Shael /Gayaz-Aida/;
3. Pekhimdar /Murgab-Pampa/;
4. Chaka Shael /Gazyr Shael-Gheli/;
mare:
1. Zariyat Shael /Dorkush-Ghezerli/,
and our horses by other owners:
1. Kaytag Shael /Gayaz-Almagul/;
2. Zhuruga Shael /Gayaz-Aida/;
3. Dalay Shael /Gayaz-Yalama/;
4. Khabib Shael Gayaz-Aykhanum/.

At World Championship we can send yearlings colts:
1. Shaytan Shael /Karar-Salimat/;
2. Aydemir Shael /Gayaz-Demirkhanum/;
3. Shammay Shael /Shaar Shael-Yalama/;
fillies:
1. Darman Shael /Gazyr Shael-Aida/;
2. Heva Shael /Gazyr Shael-Ajay/
and two years old filly
3. Zariyat Shael.

28. ingrid06/21/2006 06:12:12
Homepage: http://ingrid.hovik@gmail.com

Hi Severine,

I do not have that many pictures here at my job-pc -and we have not access to interet at home yet ( just moved ), but I have one picture from eventing last year. But I can not add any picture here.
Jessica - is it possible to add pictures to this blog?

Regards,
ingrid

29. antoinette bardy06/22/2006 17:34:45

severine,i've got some remembrance of russian language i adored to learn at school,a few years ago,so if i may help..
in a few weeks i will have my first teke,it's an old dream coming true,i would be happy to have telephone discussion with you about teke in france,so you can call 0240518962,do you come to villeneuve?
leonid...babaiev i suppose,i hope to see shunnan in a few weeks,and will perhaps have a foal from murad next year,i would be very happy to meet you someday,and have discussion about how teke should be,
and who knows, perhaps i will be able someday to have a beautifull teke coming from your stud,i would be very happy about it

30. Leonid06/23/2006 03:24:08
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.ru

Dear Antoinette, mu congretulations and wellcome.

31. Jessica06/23/2006 11:13:56

Ingrid. You cannot post pictures as comments, but you can email me pictures so that I can post them on the blog.
I think it would be great to add a gallery of nice pictures of Tekes in sports together with a sample of results. What I could do is to create a pdf with pictures, sample results and the pdf could be used by anyone who wants to illustrate the versatility of the breed could use it. The original text could be in English and perhaps the French association could translate it into French and make it accessible in French. Ingrid, have you got a nice picture of Saad doing eventing? I will ask Desiree van Hanen if we can use pictures of her famous endurance Teke Love over Gold if not anyone else has other nice pictures.
Leonid can you send us a nice picture of a racing Teke that we can use? We could then show modern Tekes from all over the world in the following disciplines:
Racing, endurance, show jumping, dressage, eventing.

32. Laurence Bougault06/23/2006 13:24:53
Homepage: http://www.cheval-akhal-teke.com

Hi everyboby,
Let me say I'm a fan of Leonid style! Anyway Severine, I'm french too, and very small breeder too and I think you should be more careful when you write something. I won't agree with you about races. At the moment it's the only horse activity that bring money! In France too. I dream to organise some race with AT in France but we need to be more professional, because since nox, it's just a few amateurs that have AT in France. If we could organise a race, we could interest professionals and could be a start of something!! So, pleasde, learn about horses in general before to say anythingt about AT horses. I put some result on my website in french at that address http://www.cheval-akhal-teke.com/cheval-akhal-teke/cheval-sport.htm but it not enough...
Leonid, just a question to you: do you breed Plyajnaya ? Does she has offspring in your stud or could you give me any information about her before she arrive in France?? I just bought Al Depel from Tina and makes me very happy (I'm too poor to buy young ones but better an old one that I like as a young that i don't...). And a last one : would Alexander Klimuk autorize me to translate his article from english too french (you know, frenches are like russian, there are never very happy with english!!). Anyway, thanks for your work in the breed.
Laura

33. Leonid06/24/2006 01:33:02
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.ru

Laura, thank you for so kind words for my position. Everywhere we must find profesional field of using for this horses. This is promotion! People look at the high achievements and then to become amouters and create market.
To my sorry I am not breeder of Plyazhnaya, she was born in Daghestan Stud. Her mother Prelest is one of my favourite mares in the breed. I suppose that this is good combination Arab and Plyazhnaya.
Your website is realy fantastic, my compliments. And, ofcourse I shell ask Alexandr about his article. What is the name of the article?

34. Laurence Bougault06/24/2006 07:38:40
Homepage: http://www.cheval-akhal-teke.com

Hello Leonid,
Thank you too. I try to do my best to inform people in French because nobody do it!
Alexander article is THE SPECIAL OBLIGATIONS of a THOROUGHBRED FARMER. I really think people must anderstand what is a thoroughbred. I had a message yesterday from a young girl that wanted to buy a teke to learn how to become a horse teacher, i answer her she has to become a teacher and after to buy a teke! I've a young girl at homa at the moment with a 5 years old TB gelding and it's the same problem! She has no experience for a TB english or teke or any kind! That the problem in France at the moment! Most off the AT owner don't even know how to ride...
About Plyajnaya, thank you. I really like her very much and even at 19 years old, she still trot like a queen. Patysha his an Arab/Plyaj combination, very correct for a start. The problem is we miss very good stallions... In 20 years, should be better!
I hope to go in Daghestan next year. I will try to visit most of the stud there, so maybe to the next year...
Laura

35. Petra06/24/2006 09:31:27
Homepage: http://www.akhal.cz

I am sending some results of Czech AT:

Purebred stallions Garut 10 was widely used in Czech Warmblood breeding and sired some good sport horses:

Garut Humbursky, born 1987, out of Czech warmblood mare Chara (by Hann.stallion 1017 Alarm) - show jumping (140 cm height)
this stallion was also used in Czech warmblood breeding

mare Jaga Martex - show jumping (150 cm height), 2nd place in Czech Championship in showjumping with rider Petra Spalkova

mare Chutka - dressage (Intermediare level), out of Czech warmblood mare Celina (by Russian trakehnen stallion Obvod)

gelding Grand Kinsky - champion of Czech Republic in reining- open class (2001), out of Kinsky mare Tita (by Narcis), rider Libuse Pulpanova. Also champion of CR in trail-parcour (2001)

Garut was quite succesful as a dam■s sire - he is sire of dam Novela (out of Kinsky mare Nely, by Varin), who is dam of breeding stallion Alois (showjumping - 150 cm height) by Ascot.

Other Tekes in sport:

Adjibei (Lakmus-Andi, 883 Kaltaman), partbred with 25% of English Thoroughbred - rider Karin Kormanova - 2nd place in 120km long endurance race in Bratislava (Slovak Republic), also got Condition Prize (2000). In 2001 he was qualified for European Championship in Castiglio in Italy, but was eliminated after 40km.

Alakma (Lakmus-Andi, 883 Kaltaman), born 1998 - rider Karin Kormanova - in 2004 - 4th place in 40km endurance ride in Zabreh (CR)
2005 - 1st place in 50km endurance ride in Zelcin (CR), Condition Prize - this race was good for AT, as second finished purebred stallion Polotlize (Pyakize-Gagara, Gornii Klad), born 1998, and third purebred mare Durana (Elbek-Dagomeia, Munir), born 2000. Differences between AT in finish line was just 1second, the fourth horse finished 26minutes behind AT.

Kulyuk, parbred stallion (unknown sire - Karina, 1057 Dorkush), born 1998, champion of republic in Barrel Racing and Pole Bending (2002).

Altair, purebred stallion (Alakhrat - Keiki, Kelte), grandson of Uzbekh show-jumper Arslan. Started to participated in show-jumping competitions last year, won several ones on level 120cm. In Western Bohemia he has no competitor in competitions in jumping in Spring-garten (won several ones). If somebody is going to Polling this year, you should see him there.

To races - I think that it is necessary to test AT on racetrack. Race is the best and most objective test of constitution. I hope to make in near future first races in Czech republic as I don■t want to breed only animals with type, but also strong and fast, with good perfomance.
Sport is quite problematic, as to train horse for higher level is long time process (takes several years) and needs good skilled rider and trainer. Here it is same as anywhere in Europe - most of sport riders have warmblood thinking and they don■t know (and are not interested) to work with hot-blooded breeds.
As I spoke with a lot of breeders and riders who knew Garut and his offspring personally - all said one thing - the horses by Garut had excellent performance qualities, but they were "difficult" for handling, riding, etc. and only few were lucky to find good sensitive riders.

36. Allegra Steck06/25/2006 16:41:30

Severine,

The results are too long to list here on this blog, but to review results in eventing for the US Akhal-Tekes, go to this link: http://members.useaonline.com/scriptcontent/directory/Horse_Directory_Search.cfm?Search=1. The horses are listed by name- Purebreds: Sengar, Senova, Kandar, Kurina, Goldka. Partbreds: Zang, Dakka, Dappir. Their results and placings are all listed by competition and date.

Best of luck,
Allegra

37. Jessica 06/25/2006 19:24:48

Petra, Allegra thank you for the results. Severine, will you be able to compile the results in a database of some kind? We are receiving a lot of results now and it would be great to enter them into some kind of database with a searcheable structure!

38. Jessica 06/25/2006 19:35:00

Petra, do keep us posted on the racing plans for Czech Tekes!
It would be great to see Tekes race outside Russia and Turkmenistan!
France and the USA are big horse racing countries so we should be able to show racing Tekes here as well.
Let's see who comes first!!

39. Leonid06/26/2006 05:15:37
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.ru

Laura, A. Klimuk allowed to translate this Article.

40. ingrid06/27/2006 05:38:39
Homepage: http://ingrid.hovik@gmail.com

Hi Jessica,
Yes, I have some pictures of Saad doing eventlig. I know that there have been taken a few of"proff" photografs from competations as well - but I haven`t seen them all.
I send you a head picture now - so that you can but on the blog - so Severin can see him.
Ingrid