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Akhal-Tekes in sport 10/12/2006 09:34 AMAKHAL-TEKES IN SPORT
1. Hans-J■rg Buss10/12/2006 14:38:18
Some weeks ago we all could admire excellent sport horses of different types and breeds at the World Equestrian Games 2006 in Aachen, Germany. I hoped that at least the Russian team would be present there with an Akhal Teke, be it in Eventing or in Endurance. But I could not see any. The russian breeders of ATs, to whom are they selling there "excellent" horses?
What are these Tekes doing there, just staying in the stables or on the pastures? What importance or meaning does it have to state "... the Akhal-Teke stallion Peikam won a testing 120 km marathon around the Moscow ring road, and in 2001 the stallion Zabeg became Russian champion over 60 km..." That's ridiculous by international endurance standards.
2. Darya10/12/2006 14:49:14
Homepage: http://www.avatstud.com
The only people who would bring Tekes to show like that would be Western breeders, who are "doing the wrong thing alltogether". This is the rewards you get for trying to promote the breed.:-/
3. Jessica D.10/12/2006 15:34:04
It almost seems to me to be an "us four and no more" mentality. They want the Teke to increase in numbers and quality yet they seem to want to shut out anyone who thinks differently.
4. Nadja10/12/2006 18:12:28
Homepage: http://www.akhalt-service.ru
If foreign owners of sports Teke will inform results in MAAK, the information will be published everywhere. In all official publications, including studbook. Unfortunately, few foreign owners inform it. And a little, who sends official results with acknowledgement. The report of competitions.
Jessica. ■ Again a finger in the sky ■.
This clause tells about classical kinds of equestrian sport. Races - not a classical kind of sports, therefore about them here are not present anything.
5. Todd Keith10/12/2006 19:34:10
Homepage: http://www.beknazar.com/
Nadja,
Racing is the FIRST horse sport. The most classic of all. We in the west call it the sport of Kings. No, it is not a classical Olympic sport. The classical Olympic sports were created for the warmbloods.
p.s. Next time you talk to the Nadja or Tatyana you can ask if the DNA results of our 9 horses ever arrived. I am still waiting on confirmation that they arrived, I sent them 2004.... 3 times.
Todd
6. Nadja10/13/2006 02:55:03
Homepage: http://www.akhalt-service.ru
Todd.
You can duplicate results on e-mail tagat@bk.ru
You have paid passports and registration of horses?
7. Nadja10/13/2006 03:18:04
Homepage: http://www.akhalt-service.ru
I have talked. You need to send the additional information. And to you already informed it.
DNA analyses of parents, the DNA analyses of foals, photos of foals that marks were visible, measurements of foals, the list about a covering and a birth foals with date of a covering and with date of a birth. Money for registration and passports.Copies on e-mail, Originals by post
8. Jessica10/13/2006 09:04:57
Nadya,
It is great that you are volunteering as international relations rep for MAAK. Gives you a little bit of a bad feeling though as an employed sales rep for a Teke stud farm should have this position. '
Might make you think that favours are returned in a way that might question the objectivity within this breed.....
Please tell Ms Abramova to resend the email from 2004, obviously we did not recieve it as we haven't replied.
As it has become so easy to register Tekes now I will from today add a day counter on how many days it takes to get our Tekes registered and events will be added in the KaraKum diary, so that others can use the diary notes as a how-to-manual for quick and easy registration.
We cannot supply MAAK with points for conformation and type of our horses until there will be an inspection tour in the USA.
9. Jessica 10/13/2006 09:25:15
I forgot to mention, if the how-to-register manual turns out good, MAAK can use it for free to simplify the registration process.
We are one big happy family of friends in this breed aren't we!
10. Nadja10/13/2006 10:01:08
Homepage: http://www.akhalt-service.ru
Jessica
Abramova cannot send you e-mail since 2004. Hers computer has been broken, and harddisk was not subject to restoration.
She only has told, that you had correspondence in 2004. She has received two letters from Todd. Has answered, but on it all has ended. She tried to send some times to you a copy of last letter, but the answer again was not.
Analyses on DNA in America do in the Californian institute. Them accept in MAAK. You can do analyses DNA in any laboratory with the international accreditation. It is necessary for acknowledgement of an origin also that have been made DNA tests of both parents.
If you really are interested in receiving documents I can help. You can send any information on mine e-mail. I shall check, that she has got in VNIIK and MAAK. I always in the Internet. I here live. Abramova and Ryabova have a lot of other work. And Abramova checks e-mail not more often than an once in a week.
Unfortunately, I cannot inform you now cost of registration. But she will be higher, than annual. It is more favourable to register horses in this year of their birth. Registration on the following and in one year costs more expensive.
I also in MAAK send contracts with buyers annually. (but without the prices). I do two copies with the prices for me and clients and one without the prices for MAAK. On the basis of these contracts of a horse receive new passports with names of new owners. The maximal term of expectation in my practice was month. August - September. At this time and Ryabova and Abramova go with inspection on studfarms of Russia. Also at this time the Championships in Moscow and Pyatigorsk and exhibition Equiros. Therefore they did not have opportunity to make for me documents. But I about it have been warned in July and warned of it all my clients too beforehand.
With France and Czechia is signed the contract at a national level. They receive documents quickly and without delays. But presidents of Associations on a regular submit all documents in electronic, and then in the paper form. One person collects all applications in all country, and he receives documents and distributes to their customers. It is very convenient. It would be ideal, if you have organized something similar in America.
11. Blanca10/13/2006 10:18:26
The discussions are no interesting that I don't have time to catch up with everything.
Jessica, in spite of Nadya's position in a private AT stud it would be lovely to have her -somebody, for God sake!!!- as representative of Maak...
Nadya, I'm still waiting the papers for my mare. I asked for them in 2002...I'm also waiting for copies of studbooks and other things I ordered in 2002...I used to be member of Maak but nobody bothered to let me know how to renew my membership...
I really want to learn so I take any opportunity I have. When Tatyana came to France I literally assaulted her with questions and doubts. But obviously, this is not enough.
Fortunately, we have things that Sigrid Hauser's catalog of the EU ATs and Todd's catalog. Believe, I would love to pay for the latest studbook issued by Maak but please, somebody let me know HOW, if every time you try to phone Ryazan doesn't work or when you send an e-mail it always remains without reply.
Well, enough venting of a small owner in far Europe
Coming back to tekes in sport:
Hans Jurg, Kazakhstan was represented in the WEG of Aachen by Sergey Buikievich and his excellent Volan...ok, he's a hanno-teke, but nobody is perfect...unfortunately, Sergey couldn't get into the dressage court because Volan started bleeding from the nose 5 minutes before...the good thing is that Sergey is competing now in Europe with him. This week end he's somewhere in Germany; last week end he was in Hungary.
The Kazakh team had also brought Matador, an excellent son of Argus (Alagir). Matador was already doing Saint George and the idea was to have him competing in Europe so that he could improve his level. The very sad news is that he got the so called "transport sicknes" and they had to put him to sleep a couple of weeks ago. I find this extremely sad because I know how much this horse and his rider had worked to come where they were...
12. Blanca10/13/2006 10:52:42
Sorry, I wanted to say
"The discussions are no SO interesting that I don't have time to catch up with everything.
13. Nadja10/13/2006 10:55:42
Homepage: http://www.akhalt-service.ru
Blanca.
Write once again to me on e-mail your problem. Only today. And I today shall talk about it with Abramova. I did copies of studbooks to my friends in Europe and America. It too not a problem. Originals for a long time are not present on sale
Sometimes documents on horses years wait payments. If you paid documents you should receive them. I hope, that they were not lost.
You also can independently write for N.Abramova on tagat@bk.ru
Tomorrow I shall leave on studfarm till October, 21.
p.s. I not representative MAAK in the Internet. Also I do not want to be him. I only want to help with a situation with documents.
14. shael10/13/2006 11:53:15
Homepage: http://shael-teke.ru
Blanca, correctly teko-hanno. It is important
15. Hans-J■rg Buss10/13/2006 14:12:14
Tekes in sport, that is the title of this thread.
Thank you very much Blanca for your information about Aachen and the Kazakh team. So at least they. I was not aware of that.
On the website of MAAK- above cited by Jessica - it is stated that
"...such representatives of the breed as Propeller, Maksut, Galambiya, Bugar and others have demonstrated their ability by winning and being placed in major three-day events."
Can anyone give us more precise details about these "major three-day events" ? I am very interested.
16. Todd10/13/2006 14:53:59
Homepage: http://www.beknazar.com/
You should ask Sasha Klimuk as well. He had Mansur (son of Dornazarbek) that competed in Eventing successfully. I don't know at what levels.
This also forgets Desiree Hanen who on her purebred Teke gelding (Pelvan aka Love over Gold) competed for the Dutch National Team in endurance in the late 1990s...
Todd
17. Blanca10/30/2006 07:10:04
This week end I was visiting in Germany the Kazakhstani team who is training in Europe.
I saw the horses they have brought from Almaty and the horses they are buying. I am very happy to see how they are progressing but also very sad to see that since Matador died, Volan is the only teke (and only hanno-teke) who remains in the Kazakh team. The rest are enormous European and Russian horses. Even the rider of Matador has bought a gigantic Donerhall in order to go to the Asian games in Qatar...
I was told that at present, lorries come to Almaty from Europe or Moscow full of warmbloods.Everybody starts now jumping or doing dressage with them.
Moreover, very expensive English TB are being imported by the new Kazakhs for their baigas and their races. Endurance has also started being popular in the country, but they use basically tersk horses
The last tekes are still in the arena, but they are been replaced by all these Weltmeyers, Rubinsteins and Florestans. The best ATs are already a bit old: Guipur is already out of the circuits, Audan will also leave, maybe this is his last GP season...
Of course this is life and I understand that these people are above all sporstmen. But it is devastating for me to see that the European warmblood industry killed the golden cross. 
On a happier note, it was nice to see in the recent international competition in Arnhus Volan/Buikievich competing against Anky Van Grusven! See the results in http://kazequestrian.org/
Long live to Lugovskoi!!!
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