I went to the www.maakcenter.org to cite the criteria for registration and entering into the studbook, that have been purity to the breed, in other words the horse must have both parents inscribed or registered with the studbook. I was shocked to read the text of rules and regulations, I had no idea that today the Teke breed is approved as pure by one person in the world, who can disqualify Tekes from being pure by giving them class II.
However, this is what I found;

• Stallions and mares of three years old and above who have progeny and confirm to the requirements of selection are entered in the Stud Book. The grading must not be lower than 1 class. Entry in the Stud Book is made on application of the owner who presents all the necessary information contained in the Stud Book.
• The authenticity of the horse's origin is confirmed by the selection centre of MAAK (VNIIK) on the basis of immunogenetic and DNA tests carried out in the immunogenetic laboratory (-s) which is a member of the International Society for the study of genetics in animals (ISAC).
  
  

1. Todd Keith01/03/2007 12:22:43
Homepage: http://www.beknazar.com/

Strange, there are several class 2 horses in studbook 10.....
Are these the requirements to be listed as a sire/broodmare or just to be registered as a foal (i.e. purebred akhal-teke)??

2. Jessica01/03/2007 13:01:51

I have not checked the official requirements for registering a Teke yet.
I think this is the biggest crisis in this breed ever, one person has mananged to, take the complete control of the studbook, purebred horses can now be denied entry because they do not fulfil "breed requirements".
The second scary sentence in the citation is the use of who checks the DNA-typing it is "MAAK (VNIIK)" what the heck is MAAK (VNIIK).

3. Jessica 01/03/2007 13:05:40

The question is also, can a class II horse ever produce for the studbook? I wonder about Tabitha's stallion that we earlier talked about on this blog that was graded class II. Tabitha, did you decide to geld him because you were told that he could not be inscribed into the studbook?

4. Todd Keith01/03/2007 13:55:30
Homepage: http://www.beknazar.com/

Maria,
Can you check the translation?
The original is here: http://www.maak.ru/plembook_doc.php3
English version here: http://www.maakcenter.org/ENG/sbreg.html
For terminology's sake, registration should be when a foal is registered with the studbook, inscription should be when a breeding animal is given a studbook number in a published studbook.
What happens if one tries to register a foal where one (or both) of the parents has been denied inscription in the studbook??
Does this imply that sires/dams MUST be inscribed into the studbook or registered with the studbook? This has major implications on what is considered a purebred.

Todd

5. Maria01/03/2007 15:47:33

Yeah, the translation looks ok. Are these rules recent? So the proven descendant of parents in the previous studbook is not automatically inscribed... This makes it the most closed studbook in the world!

6. Jessica01/03/2007 16:17:56

This is normal procedures for warmblood breeds, almost any horse of a warmblood breed, Arabians and Thoroughbreds can register with a warmblood studbook, Akhal-Tekes are for example registered with the ASVH but will not be inscribed into their studbook as the AT studbook is not approved by ASVH.
For warmbloods to be inscribed into the studbook, they will have to fulfil certain pedigree criteria as well as conformational, type and soundness criteria. For example a Swedish Warmblood mare below 15.1 hands will not be inscribed into the studbook.
For pure blooded horses like TB's Arabians the pedigree verification is the only criteria. I have not until today realised that the Teke breed used the warmblood system for entering horses into the studbook.
The breed will by this rule probably without doubt be classified as a warmblood breed, as it is in most western literature.
The next step after this rule is to allow for improvers from other studbooks, the rule of "typing" into the studbook will certainly allow for this step. So Maria, I think the opposite will happen unless this rule is challenged, the Teke studbook will be open and the Teke breed will belong to the lowest ranked warmblood studbook in the world. Absent cannot help us now.

7. Maria01/03/2007 17:46:05

Or do you see a splinter studbook developing? It is also entirely possible, of course, that these rules are just paper.

8. Jessica 01/03/2007 18:50:30

Maria, I do not understand splinter studbook.
Paper rules are dangerous as they can be applied at any time and as they are published and no one complains they will sooner or later become a reality. We really need to work on the transparency towards breeder and owners.

9. Tabitha01/04/2007 06:39:15

Wow.. so my horse is not a purebred anymore?????
I do not see it in that text you quote. Would like to see it on black and white since his papers issued by MAAK when he was a foal say he's pure.

About the reason to geld him.
I already had plans to geld (after having collected his semen) him for the safety off other people (though he had become another horse in the months between my decision and the actual gelding) because he was biting everyone but me and I was the only one he complied to. The stable people couldn't handle a traumatized young stallion (as result of injury and being locked up for about half a year to heal) and he learned from them that he could handle people instead of the other way round.

I was expecting a class I grading and I did feel like MAAK valued him as being less than a non-pure AT when I finally received the grades. So yes I was very dissapointed and figured that no one would want semen from a class II stallion so decided to geld him without having his semen collected (saved me a lot of money).
And made all this vague plans about proving him in sports and then if MAAK ever asked me why I gelded him without at least having his semen collected tell them: "Because you graded him as having NO value to the breed(so it's YOUR OWN fault!!) ".

And getting a little sweet revenge that way. Time has eased my feelings in the mean time but the dream is still somewhere in the back of my head .

Anyways part of his low grading was due to the fact he was too small... he has more than made up with reaching 1.60m in August and he still hasn't stopped growing.

10. Jessica01/04/2007 09:04:02

Tabitha, it is a difference between registering and inscribing into a studbook, only the animals that have registered offspring are entered into the studbook. For your horse this will never happen as now he is gelded. If you read though the first paragraph from the rules and regulations for the studbook it says that eventhough a purebred Teke has offspring, he or she can be denied inscription into the studbook if they have a class II grading. This means that Tekes that have been registered in the studbook as purebreds, just like your horse, will be denied inscription if they do not fulfil breed requirements. The breed requirements for Tekes is being graded class I or elite by T. Ryabova.
I checked the sire of your horse in the 10th studbook he is not entered either as a breeding horse but only registered. He is however inscribed into the Swiss Studbook (Band 1, 2000) without offspring though. You probably could have had your horse graded by the Swiss Studbook as the sire is inscribed there.
But for the Russian studbook we will have two classes of Tekes, one with status registered and producing and one with status entered into the studbook and producing and what is the real difference. This does not make sense to me at all.

About the height of your horse affecting his gradings, this I cannot believe was the reason as he was graded as a two-year-old, his measurements should not affect his gradings until he is at least three. Would that be the case then I think you should make an official request to VNIIK to motivate the grading to class II, and ask for a written statement. As far as I understand from earlier postings you made on this matter, you did not get a protocol on site from the grading?
To add to the confusion;
In the 10th studbook there are 2 stallions and 13 mares inscribed with class II gradings.

11. Tabitha01/04/2007 10:11:06

Agan was graded in May 2005, he would've been 3 in July 2005.
So I guess he was graded as being 3 years-old. Or wouldn't he?

And no.. I did not receive motivation to why or a filled protocol indicating the measurements taken. Even though I and severall others have specifically asked for (on site!).
All we received were the plane and final grades.

I figured out his measurements by checking the MAAK site and then looking at the measurement behind each grade.

12. Darya01/04/2007 10:16:27
Homepage: http://www.avatstud.com

Why is it confusing that there are 2 stallions and 13 mares with grade II that are inscribed? It only says "can be refused" not "all of them will be refused". I guess it is just another way to give them control over things...

13. maria01/04/2007 11:47:28

brain, brain, brain... I don't quite understand, Jessica, what's meant by registering and inscribing. So according to these published "rules", one can DNA-test a foal and send the results to VNIIK and he will be issued with registration papers to say he is a purebred AT, an international MAAK passport (which, for example, Darya's horses and Mualim arrived with from Russia). However, as an owner, if Mualim has off-spring, and the off-sping is registered, AND if Mualim is graded Class 1 or above, I can apply to VNIIK to have him inscribed in vol 11. In vol 10, his sire is there, and his dam is there under her dam. So if this is the case, what exactly is wrong with this system? In other words, Studbook records animals which are considered important/valuable for future breed development and there is also a registration process (almost like a wider, bigger studbook, which records all purebreds). What is wrong with such a system? Is it totally different from the way previous studbooks had been compiled? I can see that it kind-of combbines the principles of Closed Studbook with those of a Warmblood studbook. Or am I wrong and missing something?

14. shael01/04/2007 23:07:00
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.com

4. В Госплемкнигу записываются жеребцы и кобылы в возрасте 3-х лет и старше, бонитированные не ниже 1 класса, имеющие приплод и отвечающие требованиям селекции.
Запись в Госплемкнигу производится на основании заявления владельца, предоставляющего все необходимые сведения, которые содержит Госплемкнига.
Stallions and mares of three years old and above who have progeny and confirm to the requirements of selection are entered in the Stud Book. The grading must not be lower than 1 class. Entry in the Stud Book is made on application of the owner who presents all the necessary information contained in the Stud Book.

So, all information is from breeder or owner and classification too.

15. Jessica01/05/2007 14:24:40

Maria, you are right about the registration and the entry into the studbook. But there is a rule, that says that "the grading must not be lower than 1 class" for a Teke to be inscribed into the studbook. This means that purity is no longer the sole criteria for a pure bred Teke to be inscribed into the studbook, but a grading performed at the inscription that can disqualify a pure bred Teke from being entered into the studbook. In the world of horse breeding that decision is also a disqualification for producing for the studbook.

16. Mindy Martinson01/09/2007 10:12:31

Hello - I am a total novice to the Akhal-Teke breed, but I have been doing a lot of studying about them on line and am totally fascinated. I am very confused, however, reading all of the posts here about russian registration requirements and the stud book. Is there an alternative place where Akhal-Tekes can be registered? Jessica, where do you register all the beautiful horses you breed?
Mindy

17. Maria01/09/2007 16:00:54

Jessica, to take my question further, I understand that these rules we are looking set purity as the first criterion for entry into the studbook and then set an additional criterion, i.e. grading. What is wrong in principle with the system which requires both criteria to be met? Would it not act similarly to approval of animals for breeding and prevent less typical horses and those with flaws in conformation or genetic conditions from influencing the development of the breed?

We have discussed on the blog before whether there should be restrictions placed on breeding from certain individual animals. Many of the participants in these discussions are/were in favour of such restrictions (although, we know Leonid is not). If approval of animals for breeding is seen as desirable, why is it not desirable to have to meet Class 1 condition before a horse can be entered into the studbook? Or do you, and others, favour a system when every purebred is entered into the studbook but also given a approved breeding status? I realise that Leonid favours a system where purity alone is a condition to enter the studbook and no regulations are imposed on the breeders. (Back after a trip to Holland, hence replying long after my original question).

18. Hans-Jurg Buss01/09/2007 17:44:09

Jessica has brought up a very important issue. Difference between registration (wider population of the breed) and inscription (smaller population). Only criteria for differentiation according to Jessica in closed pure bred breed should be whether a horse has offspring or not. That excludes of course ex ante all registered geldings to be inscribed. MAAK combines this criteria with grading requirements. At first sight this could make sense, as Maria explains, as it may contribute to improvement of the breed by eliminating "less typical " horses or horses with defects. I do not think however that this "selection" is in line with concept of pure bred breeding. But if yes, the more important question arises: who makes this kind of grading? Who is in control of that? We all know what the present status is... Or we all go the easy way opened by Leonid: all information is from breeder or owner and classification too (if you believe it or not: all my horses are Elite graded by myself!)

19. shael01/10/2007 02:35:37
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.com

Hans-Jurg Buss and you have this rights according of this Status.
All my horses are superelite.

20. Darya01/10/2007 04:42:53
Homepage: http://www.avatstud.com

Ok, I will think again than if one of you offers me your superelite horses for sale. This is not funny though, cos rules like this in certain hands can be like a razor in the hands of a monkey.

21. shael01/10/2007 05:46:05
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.com

If our customers are monkeys and have not heads with eyes. I can not understand, why do you need any estimation of your horses. This is problem of western customers only. For eastern customers is only one criterion - "I like, or I do not like".

22. Darya01/10/2007 06:13:23
Homepage: http://www.avatstud.com

I think it is to do with the value, Leonid. Just because I really like my horses, doesn't mean everyone will agree with me and say they are certain value. I guess we could attach the "like" counter to every horse, so it goes by how many people like it and it is recorded and the value of the horse increases. They like everything on paper here in the West, that is how they protect themselves from greedy others. It is all about money Leonid.

23. Darya01/10/2007 06:15:38
Homepage: http://www.avatstud.com

P.S. "The razor in the hands of a monkey" is just an expression to show how certain things can be harmful in the hands of certain individuals.

24. Jessica01/10/2007 10:41:43

The studbooks for the TB and the Arabians were created by westerners, the only criteria for inscriptions into these studbooks are purity. The Russians created an ad hoc system of studbook inscription for a breed they market as the oldest purebred in the world. It was not the westerners that created the grading system it was the Russians that created this mess.
This, however, is not a question of Russians and westerners, this is a very serious question for the survival of this breed.
A breed is about horses but also about what you get when you buy a breed, some breeds are "tickets" that will give you an entrance to magic worlds, it might be the racing world, the western world, the world of breeding and showing the most beautiful and mythical breed in the world (no this is not the Teke this is the Arabians that own this concept today, ask the public). What do you get when you buy a Teke?
The way a breed is managed reflects onto the breed, more today than ever.
I think that the Tekes are the most beautiful breed in the world both their looks and their minds, they do not deserve being dragged in the mud.

25. Jessica01/10/2007 10:47:19

Mindy, welcome to this heavenly breed. As per today there is one mother studbook were Tekes are supposed to be registered with.
We have followed the rules and registered our Tekes with the mother studbook, however since the 10th studbook was published we have been a little bit careful on what to do with those of our horses that are DNA-typed but not registered with the mother studbook yet.
Our intentions have alsways been to do what we think is best for the breed today and for future breeders and now we ask ourselves, is the present system something to invest in or not?
I would like to emphasise though, that it is NEVER wrong to buy a Teke!

26. maria01/10/2007 10:50:51

Leaving the gradings as a criterion for inscription into the studbook aside... I know little about the creation of Arab studbook but more about TB. The studbook was closed at a certain point in time after which purity became the only criterion of entry. Performance plays a part because the breeding goals are so clear but it isn't a criterion for inscription. However, before the TB studbook was closed, didn't every country gentleman keep his own studbook? And into those they inscribed whatever they considered suitable, mostly on the grounds of race records but I reckon, occasionally on the looks as well - ie if a good-looking Eastern stallion came to England, it might be entered because he was perceived as a potential improver. So, viewed from this perspective, AT General Studbook is travelling back in time: purity USED to be the criterion but now Class and quality of off-spring is. Wrong? Maybe. What's wrong with it? Not sure! Don't know enough.

27. Jessica 01/10/2007 10:54:18

Maria, I have always been pro stallion licensing for this breed.
I think that many mare owners and the breed would benefit from such a system. The systems for stallion licensing based on testing the EBV and reporting the BV can be worked out in many ways and would not be the same as not including purebred Tekes with offspring in the studbook.
I would see it more as creating a section of tested and approved sires for breed improvement and follow and evaluate these stallions annually to exclude those who do not produce as prognosed.
The studbook with its original intentions, in my opinion can not exclude pure horses based on outdated, subjective evaluations.

28. Jessica01/10/2007 12:48:10

If you want to implement a system that will disqualify certain individuals as producer for a breed (this is the most used system today for studbooks) you must be very clear to the public on what traits that will disqualify an individual from being accepted as a breeding animal, you must also work out a system that is as transparent as possible in order to make the breeders accept the fact that some of their animals will be kassated as breeding stock.
You cannot like MAAK use an ad hoc system based on the subject opinion of one person.
I have always thought that the dynamic gradings have been of not so much value myself and also understood that people within this breed after a while realise that it is better to learn yourself what kind of Tekes you like and what kind of traits you find acceptable instead of consider especially the private gradings performed by one judge as important at all.
However, will the gradings be used as criteria for not inscribing purebreds as producers into the studbook, the situation is much more dire for change.
I do not think that there is knowledge and understanding within MAAK for how to set up and maintain such a system.
Does anyone know of any traits that will disqualify a Teke from becoming a producer? Are there any publications where one can find the Tekes that have status registered because they were not approved? Or will we have to ask ourselves when we look at registered horses if they are not approved or do they not have registered offspring?

29. maria01/10/2007 13:12:21

Yes.... I was trying to separate the theory from practice. Trying to take these rules MAAK has published and imagine whether, if they were implemented perfectly, they would constitute a good system. Any rules, if not implemented properly, make a bad system. I can certainly see the arbitrary nature of dynamic gradings and the danger of UNEXPECTEDLY making these a factor in studbook inscription. In fact, the rules we are discussing have more a feel of a general discussion, projection, rather than something that is already in operation. Actually, does anyone know if these rules are already being applied, or were applied when compiling the last volume or have been introduced since? In other words, if this is a change from the previous system, when is/was the effective date?

30. Jessica 01/10/2007 15:50:01

Well....not always easy to separate theory from practice in the Tekes but I see what you mean. I will make a new thread for theoretical discussion regarding type/soundness/conformation/performance approval vs purity approval to a new thread.

31. Mindy Martinson01/10/2007 18:10:52

Jessica - as to your comment of "it is NEVER wrong to buy a Teke", that is my sentiment exactly, and I can't wait to own one, which, with luck being on my side, will be in the very near future! I am, however, somewhat confused in that you seem to be saying that lately you have not registered your Akhal-Teke babies, for reasons I don't understand. But by saying it is NEVER wrong to buy a Teke you are more or less implying that it would be OK to buy one, at least from you, anyway, that wasn't registered. A I totally misunderstanding what you are saying? I mean, it seems to me, that it would be very foolhardy to buy any supposedly purebred horse without proper official registration papers. I mean how would one know for sure that it was a purebred, not to mention how would one know for sure the horses parentage? I have no doubt that you, yourself, would be totally honest in your dealings, but this is, after all the world of the "horse trader". I think that official Registration papers are very important, and I don't believe that I would buy any supposed purebred horse without them. Granted I am a totally ignorant novice, but I think I am right about this.
Does anyone else have an opinion? Mindy

32. Hans-Jurg Buss01/10/2007 19:01:25

Hello Mindy
It is great that you like the Tekes and can not wait to own one. But when I read your posting you seem to be more interested in a paper than a horse. When I bought my first Tekes, paper did not interest me at all. I looked at the horse and was impressed by the outstanding expression of a Teke. All questions with regard to papers and so on for me came much, much later. And all my Tekes are pure bred. If you do not want to breed question of papers is not the most important one. A good Teke without papers (which may arrive some years later due to "organization" of MAAK) is better than a bad one with papers. Why do you concentrate on papers? We are not dealing with shares, it is about horses!

33. Mindy Martinson01/10/2007 20:13:32

Well, Hans, I guess my concern about papers is becuse my family used to own and race Thoroughbreds many, many years ago, and a horse without official registration papers could not participate in racing. I do agree with you that for a pleasure horse (if you are not breeding) papers are really not important. Unless, of course, you have a mare (I personally prefer mares) and one day you decide to breed her. Please do not think I am challenging you here - this is just a question: You state that all of your horses are purbreds. Well, I don't know you, or anything about you, and if I were to want to buy a horse from you, what proof would you have that it is a purebred if you don't have official registration papers? I would want to be able to say to people "look at my purebred Akhal-Teke" and KNOW that is what he/she was. Especially when we get into the price ranges that no doubt apply to purebred Akhal-Tekes. Sure, I can buy a "just plain horse", of no particular breeding, and with no particular looks and no particular talents for $500 or less. I haven't seriously checked into it, but I am willing to bet that an average purebred Akhal-Teke is going to run $10,000 or better - and for that I woud certainly want official registration papers.
OK - I've been ranting enough - sorry - Mindy

34. Hans-Jurg Buss01/10/2007 20:32:27

Mindy, you are perfectly right. When I bought my first Tekes, the papers arrived six (!) years later. But I did know that they were pure. Why? Look at the horse.

35. shael01/11/2007 01:17:16
Homepage: http://www.shael-teke.com

Papers must be!!!

36. Jessica01/11/2007 07:50:12

Mindy, I recommend you and every prospective buyer to ask for registration papers for a purebred horse. If you find a Teke you like that has not registration papers to prove its purity you ask the seller to see to it that the registration is being made.

37. Mindy Martinson01/11/2007 09:15:58

Thank you, and of course, Jessica, I would never buy a purebred without papers. But, Hans, I am fascinated by you. What an amazing talent - to be able to determine if a horse is a purebred simply by looking at it! Can you do that with other breeds as well, or just Akhal-Tekes? Where are you located? Your skill must be very much in demand in your area. Of course I am sure you are not able to determine a horse's parentage simply by looking at it - at least not with any degree of accuracy. So in the long run papers would be necessary anyway.
Mindy

38. Jessica01/11/2007 11:02:14

Mindy, I think you have come to the conclusion yourself that you will buy a Teke with registration papers.
I hope that you have been able to read and reflect about the postings on this blog that there are many other aspects to this breed than the registration papers.
There is a difference between a "paper purebred" and a Teke that itself tells you I am a purebred by having the look and the type. There are actually part breds that have better type than some pure breds, Hans-Jürg and most other experienced breeders that offer valuable advice on this blog know this very well and would of course not offer to verify paper purity by the look of a horse.
If you read the latest postings on the grading system I also hope that you will use your own eyes to determine the quality of the horse regarding type, conformation, soundness and temperament and not rely blindly on the gradings.
I am curious on your new Teke, as soon as you have bought your horse I am looking forward to learn more about it!

39. Heather Mahoney01/11/2007 14:13:26

Hans-Jurg,
While I see what Mindy is saying, Jessica has vouched for you to the utmost, and I know what you mean when you say "Look at the horse." One of the attractive qualities of Tekes is their unique bearing which is so distinguishable that it does seem that you could pick a fine one out of a herd with no problem.
Are there any photos of your horses published online somewhere?? I'm still hoping the Europe trip this summer flies - don't think I've forgotten Darya and Maria! - but personally I'd love more immediate gratification! Or rather, perhaps you can email a few??
Cheers,
Heather

40. Mindy Martinson01/11/2007 14:44:01

Jessica - thank you for your recent comments. I do appreciate that Hans is an eperienced breeder, and, as Heather says you vouch for him in every way. I do feel, nonetheless, that he was rather cavalier with his remark to me, an obvious Teke novice. But enough of that.
I have been thinking that perhaps my first step should be to buy a partbred Akhal Teke. As you pointed out, there are some partbreds with more type than some purebreds. I was at the Kentucky Horse Park this past September and saw a number of absolutely gorgeous Akhal Tekes, and among them was a young partbred filly who, to my untutored eye, was every bit as beautiful. I remember that her owners said she was for sale, but I have lost the business card they gave me. I have it somewhere, but. Anyway, were you by any chance down at the Kentucky Horse Park that weekend? If so, do you happen to remember this filly, and better yet, do you happen to know or know of her owners? If not you, maybe someone else on your blog can help me out here. I wish I could remember the filly's name. Anyway, it's just idea, but I would like to be able to check it out if possible. Thank you - Shirley

41. Darya01/11/2007 14:56:51
Homepage: http://www.avatstud.com

Hi Heather,
nice to see you on the blog again, and will be nice to see you in person. We are taking both boys to Devon County in may and will be showing them under saddle. I'm afraid it will only be Dominik on the Royal Show as it is a bit far for Maria to travel with Mualim. Probably worth it to see my madam, but she is staying at home I'm afraid. Would be nice if you could see all 3 horses and ride the boys, so you can try as many Tekes under saddle as possible and know what you are looking for when it comes to buying your horse.

Hello and welcome Mindy, and good luck with your horse shopping, keep us up to date.

Best,

Darya

42. mindy martinson01/11/2007 17:55:07

Hi Jessica - I just noticed that I signed my last post "Shirley". That is so weird - I was thinking in my mind that it was a "Shirley" who owned the filly at the Kentucky Horse Park that I was talking about. Is it a "Shirley" who I am looking for? The name means nothing to me, actually. I don't know a Shirley. Hopefully someone can help me out here. Thanks - Mindy

43. Hans-Jurg Buss01/11/2007 18:42:09

Hello Mindy
I am used to talk to persons which use their brains and are honest. Had you read my posting in a way to understand its real intention you would well have learnt what I wanted to say: You are not really interested in buying a Teke. What your intentions are I do not know.

Now to all others really interested in this. Of course for the breed as a whole correct registration papers are a must. Also for me. But when you want to buy a Teke I advice you to first look at the horse, and then at the papers. It is obvious that I can not decide just from looking whether a specific horse is pure bred or not. That was an ironic joke. But if a breeder has not yet official documents for whatever reason and you do not trust him, you take DNA material , send it to a certified Institute and get the answer. That costs you about US$ 40. And I do have these results from DNA analysis for all my Tekes with me at home, which prove the purity. If you have MAAK papers, have you ever seen the official results of the blood tests done by VNIIK? Are you sure that these tests prove your horse to be pure? I have several Tekes with original MAAK papers. But of none of them I have the official analysis results. I have other Tekes inscribed in the Swiss Stud book, and I have the DNA results with me and can show them at anytime.

If I want to breed with a specific horse, the question arises whether it would be necessary to register it also with MAAK. But if a have a gelding and I have the DNA results, why should I register him with MAAK? He will never be used in breeding. As long as I use him for riding and in sports, I do not need the "official" MAAK papers. What I want to have is a good performing and looking Teke. That he is pure I do know from DNA analysis. If I should want to sell my sports gelding and the buyer insists in MAAK papers, okay I can always register him because he is pure.

44. Anne-Marie01/11/2007 20:14:56
Homepage: http://freedomrunfarm.com

Mindy,

Shirley Schulz owns the part bred filly that was at the horse park her email is emfarmsss@webtv.net. The fillies name is something like "dark amber"

Anne-Marie

45. Mindy Martinson01/12/2007 08:21:48

That's it, Anne-Marie! Thank you, thank you. I some how knew the name was Shirley, and I think you are right that the filly's name was Dark Amber. I can't remember the name of her sire, but I do recall that there were several other very attractive young purebreds there by him also. Anyway, I'll email Shirley Schultz and we'll see what happens.
Come to think of it, Anne-Marie, your name rings a bell too.
Were you down at the Kentucky Horse park that weekend too? By any chance are you a tall blonde, and did you have a big, very handsome black stallion named something like "Salem"?
Anyway, again thanks for the contact information.
Mindy

46. Mindy Martinson01/12/2007 08:48:22

Hans - I do apologize for mis-reading the intent of your remark. It just seemed so "flippant" to me, and perhaps I am over-sensitive.
Mindy

47. Jessica 01/12/2007 09:06:22

I apologise to my blog friends that have in good faith replied to a guest of this blog that calls herself Mindy Martinson, this is not the real identity of this person and by now I guess many of you have figured out who the person is behind this identity. This is my virtual living room, scams like this does not belong here, I ask this person to leave this blog or reveal her real identity otherwise further communication from Mindy Martinson will be blocked.

48. Jessica01/12/2007 09:13:43

Heather, welcome back to the blog, it's nice to hear your voice again.

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